BlackRock Throgmorton Trust plc

2025 Annual General Meeting Highlights

Explore the key moments of the 2025 BlackRock Throgmorton Trust Annual General Meeting with our video highlights. Gain insights directly from Dan Whitestone, Portfolio Manager of the BlackRock Throgmorton Trust.

Investment Philosophy and Performance Highlights

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We like to focus on companies that have strong
protected market positions, that invest

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in that people, plant, property and equipment
and also invest in their products.

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Therefore they solve customer problems
and therefore price is not

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or may never feature in the discussion.

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If it does feature
it is some way down on the list.

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It's all about tapping into a consumer
zeitgeist or in solving industrial,

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complex problems
with value added solutions.

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We like companies
to have strong financial positions

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because it means they're in control
their own destiny.

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And we like companies that

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no matter how you define your earnings,
you convert that earnings into cash flow.

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It's the one metric doesn't really lie.

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And then those cash flows, our primary
focus would always be to be reinvested

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back into the business
at high rates of return.

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If you can't do that,
the other methods to return capital

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our preferred measure right now
clearly be share buybacks and failing that,

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obviously attractive,

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acquisition investment.

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Okay.

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Here's a compliance slide where you have
to show performance in calendar years,

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which is always slightly confusing
because we have a November year end.

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So I prefer to use our financial year
ends, which is on next slide.

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But the message is ultimately
one of the same.

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You can see here the 14 years
of outperformance since BlackRock

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as a business or as a company, took over

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the management of Throgmorton.

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I wasn't at BlackRock in 2009.

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I was back then,
I think at UBS advising, my old boss,

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who ended up hiring me on shares
that he should be buying or selling.

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And I, you know, I've now run the team
that he used to run, but I joined in 2013.

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And I took over in March of 2015.

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So, as our chairman said,
I have now run this trust for ten years.

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And you can see that in our entire history
I have only ever had two down years.

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But in the ten years I've run,
I've only had one down year.

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And that clearly was a down year,
my sort of annus horribilis, which I'm

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still sort of like,

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Well, still apologising for.

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And it was obviously
a particularly challenging period.

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But you can see that ultimately
I've had nine years of outperformance.

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And I'm hoping that that can continue.

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Clearly that one year in 2022 will

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obviously influence negatively
the three and five year numbers.

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You know, I've got to wait
for the maths bits to roll through.

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But I think it's

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rather than just looking at something
when you still got that in your three

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five numbers,
I think it's much more instructive

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to look at in a context of ten years
and seeing nine years of outperformance

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including some very big years
of outperformance.

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Over the ten years I've managed the trust

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I've outperformed the benchmark net of all
fees by over 4%

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compound.

Risk Warnings

Capital at risk. The value of investments and the income from them can fall as well as rise and are not guaranteed. Investors may not get back the amount originally invested.

Past performance is not a reliable indicator of current or future results and should not be the sole factor of consideration when selecting a product or strategy.

Changes in the rates of exchange between currencies may cause the value of investments to diminish or increase. Fluctuation may be particularly marked in the case of a higher volatility fund and the value of an investment may fall suddenly and substantially. Levels and basis of taxation may change from time to time.

Trust-specific risks

Complex Derivative Strategies

Derivatives may be used substantially for complex investment strategies. These include the creation of short positions where the Investment Manager artificially sells an investment it does not physically own.

Derivatives can also be used to generate exposure to investments greater than the net asset value of the fund / investment trust. Investment Managers refer to this practice as obtaining market leverage or gearing. As a result, a small positive or negative movement in stockmarkets will have a larger impact on the value of these derivatives than owning the physical investments. The use of derivatives in this manner may have the effect of increasing the overall risk profile of the Funds.

Counterparty Risk

The insolvency of any institutions providing services such as safekeeping of assets or acting as counterparty to derivatives or other instruments, may expose the Fund to financial loss.

Financial Markets, Counterparties and Service Providers

The insolvency of any institutions providing services such as safekeeping of assets or acting as counterparty to derivatives or other instruments, may expose the Fund to financial loss.

Gearing Risk

Investment strategies, such as borrowing, used by the Trust can result in even larger losses suffered when the value of the underlying investments fall.

Liquidity Risk

The Fund's investments may have low liquidity which often causes the value of these investments to be less predictable. In extreme cases, the Fund may not be able to realise the investment at the latest market price or at a price considered fair.

Important Information

In the UK this is issued by BlackRock Investment Management (UK) Limited, authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. Registered office: 12 Throgmorton Avenue, London, EC2N 2DL. Tel: + 44 (0)20 7743 3000. Registered in England and Wales No. 02020394. For your protection telephone calls are usually recorded. Please refer to the Financial Conduct Authority website for a list of authorised activities conducted by BlackRock.

UK Investment Trust Funds: This video is marketing material. The Company is managed by BlackRock Fund Managers Limited (BFM) as the AIFM. BFM has delegated certain investment management and other ancillary services to BlackRock Investment Management (UK) Limited. The Company’s shares are traded on the London Stock Exchange and dealing may only be through a member of the Exchange. The Company will not invest more than 15% of its gross assets in other listed investment trusts. SEDOL™ is a trademark of the London Stock Exchange plc and is used under licence.

Net Asset Value (NAV) performance is not the same as share price performance, and shareholders may realise returns that are lower or higher than NAV performance.

The investment trusts listed in this video currently conduct their affairs so that their securities can be recommended by IFAs to ordinary retail investors in accordance with the Financial Conduct Authority’s rules in relation to nonmainstream investment products and intend to continue to do so for the foreseeable future. The securities are excluded from the Financial Conduct Authority’s restrictions which apply to non-mainstream investment products because they are securities issued by investment trusts. Investors should understand all characteristics of the funds objective before investing. For information on investor rights and how to raise complaints please go to https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/compliance/investor-right available in local language in registered jurisdictions.

BlackRock has not considered the suitability of this investment against your individual needs and risk tolerance. To ensure you understand whether our product is suitable, please read the fund specific risks in the Key Investor Document (KID) which gives more information about the risk profile of the investment. The KID and other documentation are available on the relevant product pages at www.blackrock.co.uk/its. We recommend you seek independent professional advice prior to investing.

Any research in this document has been procured and may have been acted on by BlackRock for its own purpose. The results of such research are being made available only incidentally. The views expressed do not constitute investment or any other advice and are subject to change. They do not necessarily reflect the views of any company in the BlackRock Group or any part thereof and no assurances are made as to their accuracy.

This document is for information purposes only and does not constitute an offer or invitation to anyone to invest in any BlackRock funds and has not been prepared in connection with any such offer.

© 2025 BlackRock, Inc. All Rights reserved. BLACKROCK, BLACKROCK SOLUTIONS and iSHARES are trademarks of BlackRock, Inc. or its affiliates. All other trademarks are those of their respective owners.

Investment Philosophy

We like to focus on companies that have strong protected market positions… that solve customer problems and therefore price is not—or may never—feature in the discussion. If it does, it is some way down on the list.

Mergers and Acquisitions

Capital at risk. The value of investments and the income from them can fall as well as rise and are not guaranteed. Investors may not get back the amount originally invested.

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M&A does continue at large.

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I spoke a year ago that I thought M&A
would be a big feature of the calendar

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2024.

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It was, I think will be
a big feature of 2025, because ultimately

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there only are really two buyers of any
significance right now in this asset class.

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And the one is the companies themselves.

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Because unlike what you might think,
company balance sheets are very,

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very strong.

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And so many,
many companies are buying back

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and should know this one

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to the company statements
at seven in the morning,

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you've got to trail through 65
or 70 company announcements where their

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share counts and will be adjusted
for their ongoing daily buyback.

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And two are corporates.

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And so last year
it was a record year in terms of number

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of transactions,
not the aggregate value for M&A.

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It was a combination of private equity
and corporates.

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Now this is a very sort of like
this is a double-edged sword

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if it's a good thing or a bad thing,
I mean in the long term it's bad because we

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are just de-equitising the small mid-cap
asset class through share buybacks

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and companies leaving.

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It could be great for absolute
and relative performance.

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If you are owning something
that's taken out a 50%

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or 75% premium. It could be terrible
for your relative performance

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if something in the benchmark is taken
out, which you don't own.

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It can also be very bad if you own it
and effectively

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you're selling something on the cheap
when really like your own view

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of the
intrinsic value is company far exceeds

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the cash in the hand offer today.

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But that is the case.

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And I say all this because
the M&A activity in our index last year

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cost me on a relative basis,
around 300 basis points of performance.

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That's a headwind I've never experienced
in the ten years I'm running it.

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I'm almost 300 basis points behind the
benchmark just from things being acquired

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that I don't own.

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And that could be true this year.

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It could be a good thing for me.

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It could be a bad thing,

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something that I can't rely on but
can definitely skew relative performance

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versus the benchmark, and certainly

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versus the peer group, which is why
I think it's important to flag it.

Risk Warnings

Capital at risk. The value of investments and the income from them can fall as well as rise and are not guaranteed. Investors may not get back the amount originally invested.

Past performance is not a reliable indicator of current or future results and should not be the sole factor of consideration when selecting a product or strategy.

Changes in the rates of exchange between currencies may cause the value of investments to diminish or increase. Fluctuation may be particularly marked in the case of a higher volatility fund and the value of an investment may fall suddenly and substantially. Levels and basis of taxation may change from time to time.

Trust-specific risks

Complex Derivative Strategies

Derivatives may be used substantially for complex investment strategies. These include the creation of short positions where the Investment Manager artificially sells an investment it does not physically own.

Derivatives can also be used to generate exposure to investments greater than the net asset value of the fund / investment trust. Investment Managers refer to this practice as obtaining market leverage or gearing. As a result, a small positive or negative movement in stockmarkets will have a larger impact on the value of these derivatives than owning the physical investments. The use of derivatives in this manner may have the effect of increasing the overall risk profile of the Funds.

Counterparty Risk

The insolvency of any institutions providing services such as safekeeping of assets or acting as counterparty to derivatives or other instruments, may expose the Fund to financial loss.

Financial Markets, Counterparties and Service Providers

The insolvency of any institutions providing services such as safekeeping of assets or acting as counterparty to derivatives or other instruments, may expose the Fund to financial loss.

Gearing Risk

Investment strategies, such as borrowing, used by the Trust can result in even larger losses suffered when the value of the underlying investments fall.

Liquidity Risk

The Fund's investments may have low liquidity which often causes the value of these investments to be less predictable. In extreme cases, the Fund may not be able to realise the investment at the latest market price or at a price considered fair.

Important Information

In the UK this is issued by BlackRock Investment Management (UK) Limited, authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. Registered office: 12 Throgmorton Avenue, London, EC2N 2DL. Tel: + 44 (0)20 7743 3000. Registered in England and Wales No. 02020394. For your protection telephone calls are usually recorded. Please refer to the Financial Conduct Authority website for a list of authorised activities conducted by BlackRock.

UK Investment Trust Funds: This video is marketing material. The Company is managed by BlackRock Fund Managers Limited (BFM) as the AIFM. BFM has delegated certain investment management and other ancillary services to BlackRock Investment Management (UK) Limited. The Company’s shares are traded on the London Stock Exchange and dealing may only be through a member of the Exchange. The Company will not invest more than 15% of its gross assets in other listed investment trusts. SEDOL™ is a trademark of the London Stock Exchange plc and is used under licence.

Net Asset Value (NAV) performance is not the same as share price performance, and shareholders may realise returns that are lower or higher than NAV performance.

The investment trusts listed in this video currently conduct their affairs so that their securities can be recommended by IFAs to ordinary retail investors in accordance with the Financial Conduct Authority’s rules in relation to nonmainstream investment products and intend to continue to do so for the foreseeable future. The securities are excluded from the Financial Conduct Authority’s restrictions which apply to non-mainstream investment products because they are securities issued by investment trusts. Investors should understand all characteristics of the funds objective before investing. For information on investor rights and how to raise complaints please go to https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/compliance/investor-right available in local language in registered jurisdictions.

BlackRock has not considered the suitability of this investment against your individual needs and risk tolerance. To ensure you understand whether our product is suitable, please read the fund specific risks in the Key Investor Document (KID) which gives more information about the risk profile of the investment. The KID and other documentation are available on the relevant product pages at www.blackrock.co.uk/its. We recommend you seek independent professional advice prior to investing.

Any research in this document has been procured and may have been acted on by BlackRock for its own purpose. The results of such research are being made available only incidentally. The views expressed do not constitute investment or any other advice and are subject to change. They do not necessarily reflect the views of any company in the BlackRock Group or any part thereof and no assurances are made as to their accuracy.

This document is for information purposes only and does not constitute an offer or invitation to anyone to invest in any BlackRock funds and has not been prepared in connection with any such offer.

© 2025 BlackRock, Inc. All Rights reserved. BLACKROCK, BLACKROCK SOLUTIONS and iSHARES are trademarks of BlackRock, Inc. or its affiliates. All other trademarks are those of their respective owners.

Mergers and acquisitions

Last year it was a record year in terms of number of transactions—not the aggregate value—for M&A. It was a combination of private equity and corporates.

The Case for BlackRock Throgmorton Trust

Capital at risk. The value of investments and the income from them can fall as well as rise and are not guaranteed. Investors may not get back the amount originally invested.

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But let me just try and wrap things up
okay.

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We see so many companies, the companies
that we ourselves see,

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some say they themselves
feel under the kosh,

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their share prices
aren't going in the right direction.

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Yet they feel
they're making all this improvement.

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And generally, they've been conditioned
now into giving a somewhat,

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you know, fairly
like conservative outcome.

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Right? Okay.

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But like just talk me through the
last quarter.

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Oh, actually it's a

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really strong bit of trading.

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You know order in takes are up,

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order books are growing,
book to bill rates improving, customers are

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Oh yeah,

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They really like our new product. Okay, so,

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oh well like there's no mileage
in saying anything positive

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in the outlook statement,

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so, we just gave a very, very benign,
anodyne

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could be a lot of risks in 2025.

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That ultimately is
what you're getting outlook,

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but when you speak to the companies
and you look at what's going on

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and the current trends, which should augur
well into 2025, the picture actually,

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I think is much more robust
and attractive.

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It's an interesting time.

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This is a great asset class.

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We're in a bear market.

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We shouldn't all give up.
I mean, look at this.

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I mean that is a chart for small mid-caps
in the long term.

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It has absolutely hammered
large caps over the long run, even though

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we're in this very, very difficult period
of relative underperformance.

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This investment trust, you know,

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ten years of running there has been nine up years,
one down year.

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Sure.

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Like three and five year numbers have taken a hit
because of 2022.

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But ultimately the long term
numbers are great.

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You know, this asset class
has significant outperform large caps.

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And this Trust has massively outperformed
this asset class.

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And you will say, right,

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but you weren't here in 2008.

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And you're right - I wasn't.

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But that is my ten-year track record

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and I have more than doubled
the return of the benchmark.

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And my return is, after all, fees.

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This benchmark hasn't got any fees.

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If you want to go and buy a UK
small mid-cap ETF,

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then someone from Blackrock
will happily sell it to you, the OCF

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is 58 basis points,

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That's the cost

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for an ETF in UK small mid-caps.

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You stick on 0.58 on that and compound
that through time.

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You end up with a number
that is a lot lower than the one on the screen.

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So, I'm comparing a fund with all costs,
even though this is a basically

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a benchmark with no cost,
which you can't buy.

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It's a good asset class.

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We've got a process that works.

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You've got a great team.

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So, a lot of stuff going on,
but it's a difficult time right now.

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And so, I applaud your patience.

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I applaud your commitment.

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Surely be much more interesting sitting
listening to Ben Rogoff at Polar Technology,

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talking to you about AI and DC CapEx.

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But here you are. So, thank you very much.

Risk Warnings

Capital at risk. The value of investments and the income from them can fall as well as rise and are not guaranteed. Investors may not get back the amount originally invested.

Past performance is not a reliable indicator of current or future results and should not be the sole factor of consideration when selecting a product or strategy.

Changes in the rates of exchange between currencies may cause the value of investments to diminish or increase. Fluctuation may be particularly marked in the case of a higher volatility fund and the value of an investment may fall suddenly and substantially. Levels and basis of taxation may change from time to time.

Trust-specific risks

Complex Derivative Strategies

Derivatives may be used substantially for complex investment strategies. These include the creation of short positions where the Investment Manager artificially sells an investment it does not physically own.

Derivatives can also be used to generate exposure to investments greater than the net asset value of the fund / investment trust. Investment Managers refer to this practice as obtaining market leverage or gearing. As a result, a small positive or negative movement in stockmarkets will have a larger impact on the value of these derivatives than owning the physical investments. The use of derivatives in this manner may have the effect of increasing the overall risk profile of the Funds.

Counterparty Risk

The insolvency of any institutions providing services such as safekeeping of assets or acting as counterparty to derivatives or other instruments, may expose the Fund to financial loss.

Financial Markets, Counterparties and Service Providers

The insolvency of any institutions providing services such as safekeeping of assets or acting as counterparty to derivatives or other instruments, may expose the Fund to financial loss.

Gearing Risk

Investment strategies, such as borrowing, used by the Trust can result in even larger losses suffered when the value of the underlying investments fall.

Liquidity Risk

The Fund's investments may have low liquidity which often causes the value of these investments to be less predictable. In extreme cases, the Fund may not be able to realise the investment at the latest market price or at a price considered fair.

Important Information

In the UK this is issued by BlackRock Investment Management (UK) Limited, authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. Registered office: 12 Throgmorton Avenue, London, EC2N 2DL. Tel: + 44 (0)20 7743 3000. Registered in England and Wales No. 02020394. For your protection telephone calls are usually recorded. Please refer to the Financial Conduct Authority website for a list of authorised activities conducted by BlackRock.

UK Investment Trust Funds: This video is marketing material. The Company is managed by BlackRock Fund Managers Limited (BFM) as the AIFM. BFM has delegated certain investment management and other ancillary services to BlackRock Investment Management (UK) Limited. The Company’s shares are traded on the London Stock Exchange and dealing may only be through a member of the Exchange. The Company will not invest more than 15% of its gross assets in other listed investment trusts. SEDOL™ is a trademark of the London Stock Exchange plc and is used under licence.

Net Asset Value (NAV) performance is not the same as share price performance, and shareholders may realise returns that are lower or higher than NAV performance.

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The Case for BlackRock Throgmorton Trust

When you speak to the companies and you look at what’s going on and the current trends, which should augur well into 2025, the picture actually, I think, is much more robust and attractive.

Description of Fund Risks

Complex Derivative Strategies

Derivatives may be used substantially for complex investment strategies. These include the creation of short positions where the Investment Manager artificially sells an investment it does not physically own.

Derivatives can also be used to generate exposure to investments greater than the net asset value of the fund / investment trust. Investment Managers refer to this practice as obtaining market leverage or gearing. As a result, a small positive or negative movement in stockmarkets will have a larger impact on the value of these derivatives than owning the physical investments. The use of derivatives in this manner may have the effect of increasing the overall risk profile of the Funds.

Counterparty Risk

The insolvency of any institutions providing services such as safekeeping of assets or acting as counterparty to derivatives or other instruments, may expose the Fund to financial loss.

Financial Markets, Counterparties and Service Providers

The insolvency of any institutions providing services such as safekeeping of assets or acting as counterparty to derivatives or other instruments, may expose the Fund to financial loss.

Gearing Risk

Investment strategies, such as borrowing, used by the Trust can result in even larger losses suffered when the value of the underlying investments fall.

Liquidity Risk

The Fund's investments may have low liquidity which often causes the value of these investments to be less predictable. In extreme cases, the Fund may not be able to realise the investment at the latest market price or at a price considered fair.